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Tuesday, February 4, 2014

Mr. Obama, Your House of Cards May Be Tumbling Down

In my last post I related that 175 federal judges had received copies of Doug Vogt’s affidavit which forensically established probable cause to believe that Barack Hussein Obama's certificates of live birth are forgeries.  The cover letter accompanying the affidavit asked each Judge to refer the evidence contained in Doug’s 95 page public affidavit – and 75 page sealed affidavit – to a Grand Jury to investigate.

One of my faithful – though anonymous – followers recently added a note to my last post stating: “So it has been almost a month now and not a single update. I think I can guess what the responses have all been. :snicker - snicker.

Au contraire mon ami.  In fact three (3) federal judges have acknowledge receipt of Doug’s Affidavit. Two of them have forwarded the affidavit to their respective United States Attorneys. The third wrote back stating: “I was very impressed by the letter and attachments you sent to me. I do not dismiss the allegations you make as untrue.”  The letter continued with the commitment to submit Doug’s affidavit to the Grand Jury for their consideration. So like a modern-day Diogenes, perhaps we have found one honest federal district court judge.

Let me posit what will happen next.  Doug and I – a former criminal prosecutor with extensive experience presenting evidence to a grand jury and securing indictments – will be invited to appear before the Grand Jury.  Doug to detail the forensic evidence contained in his affidavit; Me to explain the legal options available to the Grand Jury to follow up on the evidence that Doug presents them.  Operating outside the control of the United States Attorney’s office and with the support of the federal judge and the United States Marshal’s Service, a dozen federal Grand Jury subpoenas will be issued and served by the Marshal’s Service nationwide.  The originals of Obama’s birth records from Hawaii, college transcripts from the three colleges he attended, along with his Social Security and Selective Service records would all be compelled to be produced to this Eric Holder-free Grand Jury.  Additionally, the players in the Obama Birth Certificate pageant would all be called to testify as to their roles: Remember, there is no Fifth Amendment privilege to refuse to answer a question put to a witness by a Grand Jury.

Which is why I say, Mr. Obama, the People have some questions for you.

68 comments:

Anonymous said...

Don't hold your breath. I really don't think it will happen though one can hope I suppose.

Anonymous said...

Doug Vogt claims to have discovered "the original Altar of Abraham" (but has never showed it). In other words, he is a nut.

Here is his web site:

http://www.vectorpub.com/Reality_Revealed.html

Vogt's claims and others are explained in:

http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2013/11/blogger-shows-obama-birth-certificate-artifacts-caused-by-xerox-machine-no-joy-in-birtherville/

Martha Trowbridge said...

Anonymous: Perhaps it is time for you to hold yours -

Anonymous said...

Notice that Martha Trowbridge did not respond to the facts shown above. (I wonder why not???)

Martha Trowbridge said...

Notice that "Dr. C." has been called to the scene of yet another "Obama" Conspiracy disaster. [i.e., His Truth Emerging.]

As for facts, you refer, of course, to the delusional 'reality' created by the "Obama" Conspirators, yes?

Anonymous said...

Notice that Martha Trowbridge once again has not responded to the facts. All that she does is CLAIM that there is a "delusional 'reality." But she does not show any proof of that claim, and she certainly does not show any evidence that Obama's birth certificate is forged (it isn't) or that Obama was born anywhere other than Hawaii (he was born in Hawaii as his birth certificate and the confirmation of the officials of BOTH parties and the Index Data and the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961 ALL show.

Anonymous said...

Re: "Remember, there is no Fifth Amendment privilege to refuse to answer a question put to a witness by a Grand Jury."

Answer: Not that it matters, but that is another fact that the article got wrong. People have their fifth amendment rights in all courts WITH THE ONLY EXCEPTION BEING WHEN THEY ARE GRANTED IMMUNITY.

Another example of birther accuracy.

Martha Trowbridge said...

Dear Anonymous:

Guess what? I don't have to prove aka Obama's BC is forged/fraudulent. It's been proven, again and again.

As for your lame "HI Newspaper Birth Announcements" do you really think you're fooling anyone? Again, in the signature "Obama" Conspirators' fashion, cheap digital facsimiles, NO ACTUAL PAPER FILES. The purchase of those Honolulu newspapers shortly before aka Obama went public ensured that nobody could ever access the actual newspapers.

So you assumed.

How very brilliant you fools are.

Anonymous said...

Re: "Guess what? I don't have to prove aka Obama's BC is forged/fraudulent. It's been proven, again and again."

You are so GULLIBLE. You believe birther sites when they SAY that it has been proven to be fraudulent. But birther sites have lied many times, and they have not shown you all the evidence, and they have not even tried to answer this:

http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2013/11/blogger-shows-obama-birth-certificate-artifacts-caused-by-xerox-machine-no-joy-in-birtherville/

Here are some classic birther lies:

(1) Birthers said that Obama's draft card was forged, and indeed it was forged, but Obama did not post his draft card, nor did any representative of Obama---so who do you think forged it? (Okay, I'll make it easy---the guy who posted it.)

(2) Birthers have said that Obama became a citizen of Indonesia---but a telephone call to the Indonesian Embassy shows that he was never an Indonesian citizen. Why do you suppose that the birthers did not call the Indonesian embassy to check?

(3) Birthers said that Obama's Kenyan grandmother said that he was born in Kenya---but the transcript of the call shows that she said the he was BORN IN HAWAII---why do you suppose they did not quote her accurately and in fact cut off the tape recording of the call on their sites just before she said "born in Hawaii, where his father was studying at the time." Why do you suppose they did that?

(4) Birther sites did not tell you about SS Administration clerks making lots of mistakes and that a single digit entered wrong in the zip code would generated a SS number from a place other than where it was applied from. Why do you suppose they did not tell you that?

(5) Birther sites did not tell their readers that the Kenyan government said that Obama was NOT born there. Why do you suppose they did not tell their readers that?

(6) Birther sites did not even tell their readers that there is no evidence that Obama's mother had a passport in 1961---or how very few 18-year-olds did in those days, or how EXTREMELY few women traveled abroad late in pregnancy in those days because of the high risk of stillbirth. Why do you suppose they did not tell you that?

(7) Birther sites posted videos of Obama that claimed to show that he said "I was born in Kenya"---but you cannot see his mouth move and the originals of those videos have been found, and they do not say "I was born in Kenya.."" Why do you suppose that they posted those videos? Ditto, by the way, for three forged "Kenyan birth certificates."

(8) Birther sites said that Obama spent “millions” on hiding his birth certificate. But Obama showed his birth certificate and did not spend a cent on hiding anything. And in fact, as birther sites did not tell their readers, there wasn’t even one lawsuit for Obama’s birth certificate or for records, not one. There were lawsuits to keep Obama off of ballots, but NO lawsuits for his birth certificate or records of any kind. Why do you suppose that birther sites implied that there were lawsuits for Obama's BC---when there weren't ANY???

(9) Birther sites said that Obama’s records are “sealed,” but they are not sealed. They are covered under the ordinary state and federal privacy laws, and Mitt Romney and John McCain and previous presidents did not release similar records either.

Anonymous said...

Continuing:



Re: "As for your lame "HI Newspaper Birth Announcements" do you really think you're fooling anyone? "

Here are the birth notices of Obama's birth in the Hawaii newspapers in 1961.

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/obamabirth.php

(And as you can see the section of the paper is called "Health Bureau Statistics". Well, as the name indicates, and as both the papers and the DOH confirm, ONLY the DOH could send notices to that section of the paper, and it only did so for births IN Hawaii.)

Here is the Index Data file:

http://www.cleveland.com/nation/index.ssf/2011/04/in_hawaii_its_easy_to_get_birt.html

Re: "NO ACTUAL PAPER FILES..."

Answer: Obama has shown both the images on the Web AND the actual physical copies of the official long form and short form BCs---the latter of which were passed around in the White House press room, and one reporter even photographed it and stated that she felt the raised seal. And, once again, the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii have stated in writing repeatedly that they sent both the short form and long form birth certificates to Obama and that all the facts on them are correct.

Martha Trowbridge said...

Knock yourself out, posting propaganda. I suppose it keeps you busy, awaiting aka Obama's inevitable prosecution.

Anonymous said...

Re: "Knock yourself out, posting propaganda."

Notice that Martha Trowbridge has no response to the facts other than to claim that they are "propaganda." But they are, actually, the facts. It is birther propaganda that have made few gullible people blind to these obvious facts:

For Obama to have been born in a foreign country:

(1) Obama’s relatives would have had to have been rich enough (and they weren’t. In 1961 Obama’s grandfather was a furniture salesman, and his grandmother was a low-level employee in a bank [she did not become a vice president until 1970], and his father went from Kenya to Hawaii on a free flight) and dumb enough to send their daughter at high risk of stillbirth to a foreign country to give birth—-—despite there being fine hospitals in Hawaii;

(2) Obama’s mother would have had to have traveled overseas ALONE (since WND has proven with a FOI Act request that Obama senior stayed in Hawaii throughout 1961) and somehow got Obama back to the USA without getting him entered on her US passport or getting a visa for him (which would have had to have been applied for in a US consulate in that country and the records would still exist);

(3) Obama's relatives would have had to have gotten the officials in Hawaii to record his birth in Hawaii despite (as birthers claim) his being born in another country and somehow got the teacher who wrote home to her father, named Stanley, about the birth in Hawaii of a child to a woman named Stanley to lie (and since the woman’s father’s name really was Stanley, she would have had to have found one of the very few women with fathers of that name to do it).

If you sincerely believe that Obama could have been born in a foreign country, then you could answer all three points. For Obama to have been born in a foreign country, all three would have had to have happened.

So, the question is, what are the chances that all three happened?

(Oh, and there isn’t even proof that Obama’s mother had a passport in 1961, and very very few 18-year-olds did, and EXTREMELY few women traveled abroad late in pregnancy in 1961 because of the risk of stillbirths. Yet birther sites hope that a few GULLIBLE people will just assume that she was one of the few to have a passport and one of the extremely few women to travel abroad late in pregnancy, and that the birth certificate is forged and the officials of BOTH parties who have confirmed it and the Index Data and the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers and the teacher who wrote home are all lying. )


Robert said...

To be a "Natural-Born [American] Citizen" one must meet BOTH Jus soli AND 100% Jus Sanquinis. One must be born IN the United States of America and have Parents who were Americans themselves at the time of said person's birth IN the U.S. I have said so much in my Legal Brief in Laity v NY now at the U.S. Supreme Court at Docket # 13-875. Obama is a usurper. He has usurped the Presidency,by fraud, during time of war. THAT makes Obama a Spy under the UCMJ.

Anonymous said...

Re: "To be a "Natural-Born [American] Citizen" one must meet BOTH Jus soli AND 100% Jus Sanquinis."

Who told you that? It is WRONG.



“What is a natural born citizen? Clearly, someone born within the United States or one of its territories is a natural born citizen.” (Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on OCTOBER 5, 2004)--Senator Orrin G. Hatch (R-UT).


“Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are "natural born citizens" and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are "natural born citizens" eligible to serve as President ..."---- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005) [Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]

"Some birthers imagine that there is a difference between being a “citizen by birth” or a “native citizen” on the one hand and a “natural born” citizen on the other. “Eccentric” is too kind a word for this notion, which is either daft or dishonest. All three terms are identical in meaning."---The Wall Street Journal (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204619004574322281597739634.html?KEYWORDS=obama+%22natural+born+citizen%22+minor+happersett)

"Every child born in the United States is a natural-born United States citizen except for the children of diplomats.”---Senator Lindsay Graham (December 11, 2008 letter to constituents)

More reading on the subject:

http://www.fredthompsonsamerica.com/2012/07/31/is-rubio-eligible/

http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2012/02/birtherism-2012

http://www.obamabirthbook.com/http:/www.obamabirthbook.com/2012/04/vattel-and-natural-born-citizen/


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural-born-citizen_clause_of_the_U.S._Constitution

http://tesibria.typepad.com/whats_your_evidence/scotus-natural-born-citizen-a-compendium.html

BTW, the Declaration of Independence says: "We hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal...." Well, there isn't anything in the US Constitution or in the writings of ANY of the members of the Constitutional Convention or the Federalist Papers or anything that says that the US-born children of foreigners are lower class citizens than the US-born children of US citizens. IF they had ever said it, you could say that they thought it---but they never did. NEVER.

stephen parker said...

Anonymous is whistling in the dark as he/she passes the graveyard.

Anonymous said...

People will notice for themselves that stephen parker did not respond to the legal opinions and commentaries cited above.

Moreover, birthers tried to get the members of the US Electoral College to change their votes to vote against Obama in the 2008 and 2012 elections claiming that (1) Obama was not born in the USA and/or (2) two citizen parents are required to be a Natural Born Citizen even if you are born in the USA. And, guess what, not one single member of the US Electoral College changed a vote. Obama won 356 electoral votes in the 2008 general election and he received the votes of 356 electors. Obama won 332 electoral votes in the 2012general election and he received the votes of 332 electors. So not one changed. (And they were not all under legal constraint to vote the way that their states did). So not one in some 690 electors counting the two elections together changed her or his vote out of the nutty idea that Obama was born in a foreign country or the loony legal theory that two citizen parents are required.

And the US Congress voted to confirm Obama's election UNANIMOUSLY twice, and that included the votes of Rep. Michelle Bachmann and Rep. Ron Paul. So not one of more than 1,000 congressmen and senators, counting the two elections together, thought there was anything to the nutty idea that Obama was born outside of the USA or the loony legal theory that two citizen parents are required in order to be a Natural Born Citizen.

It seems that stephen parker is "whistling in the dark."

stephen parker said...

Anonymous makes a practice of providing two types of assertions: Assertions of fact which may be true but which are not relevant to the issue at hand, and assertions which are relevant to the issue, but are misrepresentations of fact, or disinformation--alleged facts which are utterly untrue. I don't believe that anonymous is self -deceived; Anonymous simply and calculatedly resorts to lies to mask Obama's crimes. That's all that needs to be said, and all I intend to say .

Anonymous said...

Re: "Anonymous makes a practice of providing two types of assertions: Assertions of fact which may be true but which are not relevant to the issue at hand,..."

Answer: The article says:

"Doug Vogt’s affidavit which forensically established probable cause to believe that Barack Hussein Obama's certificates of live birth are forgeries."

Therefore, any facts that show that Obama's birth certificate is not a forgery and that the people who claim it is a forgery are liars ARE RELEVANT.

I have already shown nine classic birther lies above.

And, I said that people who were capable of making those lies were capable of lying about the birth certificate being forged. That turns out to be true.

Only birther “experts” have called Obama’s birth certificate forged, and they have not shown that they are even experts, much less fair and impartial. Those are two reasons why they are not believed by Ann Coulter, Glenn Beck or the National Review (or by Mitt Romney or Paul Ryan or Gingrich or Santorum or Huckabee).

One proof that Obama’s birth certificate is not forged is Obama’s short-form birth certificate.

Short-form birth certificates are created by a clerk reading the information from the document in the file, and filling out the computer form that generates the printed short-form birth certificate. The officials in Hawaii have confirmed that they sent a short-form to Obama. So, unless they are lying—and they were Republican officials–the only way that Obama’s birth certificate could have been forged was that it was forged in 2007 and slipped into the file just before the clerk looked at the file. That is not very likely, is it? And it is especially unlikely since at the time Obama was not even the candidate of the Democrats. He was still in the primaries at the time, and he was only a junior senator from Illinois.

And birther sites have not shown you these real experts.

Dr. Neil Krawetz, an imaging software analysis author and experienced examiner of questioned images, said:“The PDF released by the White House shows no sign of digital manipulation or alterations. I see nothing that appears to be suspicious.”

Nathan Goulding with The National Review: “We have received several e-mails today calling into question the validity of the PDF that the White House released, namely that there are embedded layers in the document. There are now several other people on the case. We looked into it and dismissed it.… I’ve confirmed that scanning an image, converting it to a PDF, optimizing that PDF, and then opening it up in Illustrator, does in fact create layers similar to what is seen in the birth certificate PDF. You can try it yourself at home.”

John Woodman, independent computer professional, who is a member of the Tea Party (who says that he hates Obama’s policies but found no evidence of forgery) said repeatedly in his book and in various articles on his Web site that the claims that Obama’s birth certificate was forged were unfounded.

Ivan Zatkovich, who has testified in court as a technology expert, and consultant to WorldNetDaily:“All of the modifications to the PDF document that can be identified are consistent with someone enhancing the legibility of the document.” And, by the way, when WND received Zatkovich’s article that said that he found nothing wrong with Obama’s birth certificate, WordNDaily simply did not publish it.

Jean-Claude Tremblay, a leading software trainer and Adobe-certified expert, who has years of experience working with and teaching Adobe Illustrator, said the layers cited by doubters are evidence of the use of common, off-the-shelf scanning software — not evidence of a forgery.“I have seen a lot of illustrator documents that come from photos and contain those kind of clippings—and it looks exactly like this,” he said.

Birthers’ claim that Obama’s birth certificate is false is well understood to be caused by their own motives—they hate Obama and would like to harm him.

Anonymous said...

Continuing:


And it is irrational (to say the very least) to think that Obama’s relatives had enough money (Obama’s grandfather was just a furniture salesman and his grandmother a low-level employee in a bank at the time; and his father came to Hawaii on a free flight) or crazy enough to spend LOTS of money on a long and expensive and risky (incidents of stillbirths were high at the time) overseas trip for their pregnant daughter—–when there were perfectly good hospitals in Honolulu, Hawaii.

Also, the government of Kenya has said that it investigated the “born in Kenya” claim, and that it did not happen.


The above are facts. Moreover, I have show the FACTS that Hawaii issued the short form and long form birth certificates to Obama and that the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii have confirmed that they sent them to Obama and that all the facts on the copy that the White House put online are exactly the same as on what they sent to him. I have provided links to those FACTS.

Moreover, I have shown that in addition to those confirmations by the officials, the fact that Hawaii issued a birth certificate to Obama is confirmed by the public Index Data file and by the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961 and by the teacher who wrote home to her father, named Stanley, after being told of the birth in Hawaii of a child to a woman named Stanley.

Over on the definition of Natural Born Citizen side, I have shown the statements of about four experts on the subject and linked to about five articles on the subject----all of which say that the meaning of Natural Born Citizen comes from THE COMMON LAW and that it refers to the place of birth, not the citizenship of the parents of a US-born child at the time of birth, and that EVERY child born in the USA is a Natural Born US Citizen except for the children of foreign diplomats. And that is why Obama's election was confirmed twice UNANIMOUSLY, and that included the votes of Rep. Michelle Bachmann and Rep. Ron Paul.


All of that is both factual and relevant to the article on this site.

Anonymous said...

I opened the pdf of the letter from the judge in Adobe Illustrator and everything completely disappears. I judge this letter to be a complete forgery and that explains the redaction of half of the letter. I am therefore compelled to report this forgery as a Misprision of Treason and must report it to every federal judge in the United States to forward to a grand jury. You and Mr. Vogt are in for rough times ahead.

Anonymous said...

"Doug Vogt’s affidavit which forensically established probable cause to believe that Barack Hussein Obama's certificates of live birth are forgeries."

In actuality, Doug Vogt's affidavit establishes probable cause to believe that Vogt is an incompetent amateur, completely unqualified to have much of an opinion on the subject at all.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/194384601/20-Shades-of-Vogt

Anonymous said...

Poor Martha is getting sooo embarrassed..

Anonymous said...

Why is the judge's letter redacted? If the judge really did promise to submit Doug’s affidavit to a grand jury, then why can't we read that, in the judge's own words?

Something's fishy here.

Anonymous said...

One of the words that has been redacted in the third line appears to be "improper". So I suspect the judge told Mr. Vogt in as polite a way as possible that it would be "improper" for him to submit this to a grand jury.

"Good Luck" is clearly a kiss off.

Anonymous said...

Mr. Sibley,

I follow the birther movement for a while now from the outside. I have no horse in this race. In my not so humble opinion nearly all of the birthers are crazy or worse.

That said, I have to declare my respect to your decision to publish critical comments in your blog, something which is rare in the birther world.

So with best regards

your
European

Anonymous said...

Mr. Sibley,

did you ever bother to read this and follow the links provided ?
http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2013/11/blogger-shows-obama-birth-certificate-artifacts-caused-by-xerox-machine-no-joy-in-birtherville/

I guess you would make a fool of yourself presenting Mr. Vogt´s wet dreams to a Grand Jury.

Sincerely
Your European

Anonymous said...

I came here because the comment over at birtherreport was right. There is an obot crapping all over himself trying to defend the fraud.
Funny as heck. Real knee slappers like the social sec admin made a mistake and gave him a number from conn. lol, yeah, right.

and it only gets better from there.

it's going to be great watching these people cry when they are arrested.

The Magic M said...

> "Remember, there is no Fifth Amendment privilege to refuse to answer a question put to a witness by a Grand Jury."

That's so funny. You birthers can't get ANYTHING about the Constitution right - the very document you claim to love and protect, yet take a huge dump on it whenever it suits your desires.

Please, pretty please, show me where it says the Fifth does not apply.

The Fifth clearly says "nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself".
The Grand Jury part of the Fifth means that only a Grand Jury can legally indict, it doesn't mean the "nor shall..." part doesn't apply in front of Grand Juries.

Another epic "birther explains the law" FAIL.

The Magic M said...

> it's going to be great watching these people cry when they are arrested.

Yes, any day now. Didn't you say the same in 2013, 2012, 2011, 2010, 2009, ...? *lol*

The Magic M said...

> The letter continued with the commitment to submit Doug’s affidavit to the Grand Jury for their consideration.

Then why did you redact it? You're a liar!

Anonymous said...

Go to Urope !!

Anonymous said...

I can't think of a single benign reason to redact this letter in the way it was done. The obvious conclusion is that the text doesn't support the claim made by Mr. Sibley and Mr. Vogt.

No evidence at all was given to support the claim that two other judges have referred Vogt's material to US Attorney's. Let's not forget that Vogt already tried this route on his own and was denied. Even though a referral by a federal judge might cause a US Attorney to give the material more than a cursory review the bottom line is that the is absolutely nothing in the way of evidence of anything in the affidavit except evidence that Vogt is a biased, uncredentialed, amateur.

Anonymous said...

Re: "social sec admin made a mistake and gave him a number from conn. lol, yeah, right."

Actually, it was the Social Security Administration that made the mistake. (Did you think that Social Security clerks never made mistakes? What gave you that idea? In fact, they made millions upon millions of mistakes, and they resulted in wrong numbers and multiple SS numbers in millions upon millions of files.)


http://www.securityworldnews.com/2010/08/12/20-million-americans-have-multiple-social-security-numbers-associated-with-their-name/

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-501465_162-20013733-501465.html

The Connecticut SS number was caused by a data entry error. SS numbers were generated by the zip code of the applicant’s address. Obama’s address in Hawaii was in zip code 96814, and the zip code for Danbury, CT. is 06814.

Red Right Hand said...

Sorry, slight correction. For a 5-digit zip, the error frequency would probably cluster toward a maximum of 10 cities, rather than 18. It could be less, depending on how many "ones" and "nines" are in the zip. Danbury's would show 8 common zip errors: 96814,05814,07814,06714,06914,06824,06813,06815.

Red Right Hand said...

On the off chance it was a technical problem, here's the original comment (uncorrected so that my corrections make sense):

The Connecticut SS number was caused by a data entry error. SS numbers were generated by the zip code of the applicant’s address. Obama’s address in Hawaii was in zip code 96814, and the zip code for Danbury, CT. is 06814.

Yep. And notice that the numbers 9 and 0 are right next to each other on many if not most data-entry keyboards.

I've never worked for the postal service, but I suspect that the vast majority of mis-directed mail caused by an incorrect zipcode is off by only one digit, and further analysis would show that the incorrect digit is immediately next to the correct one on the keyboard. Which means that any post office will probably receive (and have to forward on) most of its misdirected mail from just 18 other zip designations. As a systems and procedures analyst I have a great deal of confidence in that hypothesis. (This prediction is for computer-generated mail, not for zips written by hand)

I suspect the Danbury post office had to forward quite a number of pieces to Honolulu (and 17 other cities) over the years.

Anonymous said...

Obama's zip code in Hawaii was 96826. That is what's on the selective service registration.

Anonymous said...

Zip codes can change over time. In 1976 the zip code for that area was 96814. That was also what was on Stanley Ann Dunham's 1976 passport application for the same address.

Anonymous said...

"I suspect the Danbury post office had to forward quite a number of pieces to Honolulu (and 17 other cities) over the years."

I would doubt that. In the year 1970s the P.O. began to use optical character readers. The first ones read the city, state and zip. An address like Honolulu, Hawaii 06814 would be kicked out in the Baltimore (where SSNs were issued) P.O. and hand read by a postal employee. Who would have corrected it.

Anonymous said...

When did the zip code change from 96814 to 96826 for the Beretania St. address?

Anonymous said...

Sometime between 1976 and 1980.

Moochelle said...

I notice Anonymous posts as Anonymous...

Now why post anonymously when everybody else has a username?

Afraid of dying in a plane crash like Loretta Fuddy?

Anonymous said...

Re: "Afraid of dying in a plane crash like Loretta Fuddy?"

Answer: No.

Moreover: Fuddy was just one of FOUR officials who confirmed Obama's birth certificate including the former Republican governor of Hawaii (a friend of Sarah Palin's), and all three of the others are still alive. And Obama's birth in Hawaii is also confirmed by the public Index Data file and the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii back in 1961 (and only the DOH could send birth notices to that section of the paper, called the "Health Bureau Statistics" section, and it only did so for births IN Hawaii). So, if she were murdered (which is unlikely and the police in Hawaii say that he died from an irregular heartbeat, but say that she had been murdered) then the motive for the murder could have been that she was about to cut someone out of her will or a jilted lover did it, or she was about to investigate a major drug company. All of those motives are just as strong as the notion that Obama killed one of four officials who confirmed his birth certificate----when there isn't even a shred of a hint that she was going to change her story and NOT confirm it.

The Magic M said...

> Go to Urope !!

Ooh, hit some nerve, didn't I? ;-)

Anonymous said...

Why did the DNC present 3 different birth certificates to the state of Alabama to prove Barry's eligibility to appear on it's 2012 presidential ballot?

Anonymous said...

Why do you keep on beating your momma ?

Anonymous said...

"Why did the DNC present 3 different birth certificates to the state of Alabama to prove Barry's eligibility to appear on it's 2012 presidential ballot?"

They didn't Hermie.

Anonymous said...

Re: ""Why did the DNC present 3 different birth certificates to the state of Alabama to prove Barry's eligibility to appear on it's 2012 presidential ballot?"

Not only is that not true, but all of the following would have had to have happened for Obama to have been born anywhere else than in Hawaii:

For Obama to have been born in a foreign country:

(1) Obama’s relatives would have had to have been rich enough (and they weren’t. In 1961 Obama’s grandfather was a furniture salesman, and his grandmother was a low-level employee in a bank [she did not become a vice president until 1970], and his father went from Kenya to Hawaii on a free flight) and dumb enough to send their daughter at high risk of stillbirth to a foreign country to give birth—-—despite there being fine hospitals in Hawaii;

(2) Obama’s mother would have had to have traveled overseas ALONE (since WND has proven with a FOI Act request that Obama senior stayed in Hawaii throughout 1961) and somehow got Obama back to the USA without getting him entered on her US passport or getting a visa for him (which would have had to have been applied for in a US consulate in that country and the records would still exist);

(3) She or relatives would have had to have gotten the officials in Hawaii to record his birth in Hawaii despite (as birthers claim) his being born in another country (in other words to make them LIE), and also somehow got the teacher who wrote home to her father, named Stanley, about the birth in Hawaii of a child to a woman named Stanley to lie (and since the woman’s father’s name really was Stanley, she would have had to have found one of the very few women with fathers of that name to do it).

If you sincerely believe that Obama could have been born in a foreign country, then you could answer all three points. For Obama to have been born in a foreign country, all three would have had to have happened.

So, the question is, what are the chances that all three happened?

(Oh, and there isn’t even proof that Obama’s mother had a passport in 1961, and very very few 18-year-olds did, and EXTREMELY few women traveled abroad late in pregnancy in 1961 because of the risk of stillbirths. Yet birther sites hope that a few GULLIBLE people will just assume that she was one of the few to have a passport and one of the extremely few women to travel abroad late in pregnancy, and that the birth certificate is forged and the officials of BOTH parties who have confirmed it and the Index Data and the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers and the teacher who wrote home are all lying. )

Marc Smith said...

hahaha- - It may be rare, but it is documented to have happened!
"American consular officer issued a single Certificate of Citizenship to only one passenger arriving in the U.S. from the Kenyan region of Africa between July and December of 1961.

The record shows demographic and status classifications for a passenger who was explicitly recorded at the INS Arrival Inspection Station as an individual being born to a U.S. citizen parent arriving from the Kenyan region of Africa between July 1st and December 31st, 1961.-
This information and the dates of its documentation are disturbing given the rare nature of the issuance of certificates of citizenship for children who acquire their citizenship by birth to incoming U.S. citizens in this particular region of Africa."

A researcher found a State department booklet from 1962 in the Boston library s couple years ago, which documented this- of course this is old news to Birthers.
If only Obama would open his sealed records- But common sense tells us, you don't spend millions of dollars in legal fees guarding an empty box.

Marc Smith said...

How many lawyers and meetings did it take to put your red herring together? Short and simple works best, if you want to fool the low information voter. Like President Clinton's, " I never had sex with that woman" , excuse he gave to Congress. It would have worked, too, except for the blue dress.

Anonymous said...

@Marc Smith
Your article on the "Kenya Region" is wrong. The actual designation area of for the single US certification of citizenship was "other Africa" and it encompassed all of Africa except Egypt, Libya and South Africa.

Anonymous said...

Mr. Sibley, Sir,

anything new from the Honest Judge that you have found ?

Regards
Your European

Anonymous said...

There's no evidence President Obama has spent millions in legal fees defending these suits.

Marc Smith said...

anonymous, read it again, I never said Obama spent his personal money, did I? (Thanks to DOJ-FBI) - I didn't know you were a degreed expert on African geography, circa 1960's- I thought you were just an obot.
Look around, your noisy anonymous clap trap has as much value here as the spit from a trumpet.
Finally, the subconscious mind has betrayed you- it did not reject the notion that Obama's sealed box is full of damaging information that could mean prison for some high up people, hence the need to have it defended at all costs.
“It is hard to believe that a man is telling the truth when you know that you would lie if you were in his place.”
― H.L. Mencken

February 11, 2014 at 10:21 AM

Anonymous said...

Re: "hahaha- - It may be rare, but it is documented to have happened!
"American consular officer issued a single Certificate of Citizenship to only one passenger arriving in the U.S. from the Kenyan region of Africa between July and December of 1961."

So ONE American child was born in that entire African region in 1961 and birthers immediately assume that that one child was Obama. The odds are against it, you know---especially since Obama's mother would have had to have gone to Africa, and we do not even know that she had a passport (and very very few 18-year-olds did) and, making it even less likely, EXTREMELY few women traveled abroad during the last few months of pregnancy in 1961 because of the high risk of stillbirth.

Yet birthers would like a few GULLIBLE people to think that because one American child was born in an entire African region that Obama's mother made that long, risky and expensive trip ALONE and that the Hawaii birth certificate is forged and the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii are lying, and so is the Index Data and the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961----and the teacher who wrote home.

No, none of them are lying---birthers are. She didn't take the trip. She delivered her child in Kapiolani Hospital (which BTW existed at the time and with the same name as on Obama's birth certificate), and the officials of BOTH parties confirmed that birth certificate. She did not take that trip to Africa, and the birthers are lying.

Anonymous said...

@Marc Smith,

" I didn't know you were a degreed expert on African geography, circa 1960's- I thought you were just an obot."

One does not have to be an expert in African geography to be able to read the table presented by the authors of the article on the one certification of citizenship issued in 1961. The table clear says the certificate was issued in "other Africa" and the footnote says that "other Africa" includes all of Africa with the exception of the South Africa, Egypt and Libya.

Learn to read, you might find it enjoyable.

Anonymous said...

" I never said Obama spent his personal money, did I? (Thanks to DOJ-FBI)"

Let's rephrase, then, there's no evidence that President Obama, the federal government, OR ANYONE ELSE has ever spent "millions" of dollars defending these frivolous suits.

Anonymous said...

Mr. Sibley,

any updates on this ? When and where is the frogmarchin´ to be seen ?

Your
European

John Browning said...

Well,-
--if Obama was born at the Kapiolani hospital, then someone please provide us with an official hospital acknowledgement that Ann Dunham ( a deceased individual) had her name hand written into the bound logbook by the admitting nurse in the ward.. As far as I know, the hospital refuses to confirm Obama was born in their hospital, stating Hipaa privacy rules. A dead person has no need for privacy, do they?

Anonymous said...

@John Browning

"A dead person has no need for privacy, do they?"

As a matter of fact they do. Under HIPAA only authorized persons can obtain the health records of a deceased individual.

Kapiolani has continued to use the letter written by President Obama stating that he was born there, in their fundraising efforts. A copy of the letter is available today on the Kapiolani Foundation website.

KnowsBetter said...

Ah, hippa, the politician's friend. Politicians found out in 1972 what happens when the public gets your negative medical information. They didn't cotton to Thomas Eagleton being McGovern's VP running mate when they learned he had been hospitalized for depression and had received electroshock therapy, so he had to drop out. In Indiana they had a new congresswoman, Julia Carson who had a bypass operation done immediately after she won the election (paid for us). Nobody had a clue she had health issues and could have had a heart attack at anytime.
Anyway, It's a foregone conclusion Obama is hiding something in his past that would have knocked him out of the presidency. People need to trust their own eyes- look at the PDF of the photocopy of Obama's 50 year old BC. Does it look like the copy of a half century old paper document? Do you see any creases, fading, holes, dog-eared corners, wear and tear? How many have their original hospital BC to look at? Make a copy of it and compare the paper to Obama's. It is obvious that it is not a copy of 50 year old paper BC bound into a book. No, it is as pristine as a new photoshop forgery can be- Only paid shills are trying to make you think otherwise.

Anonymous said...

@KnowsBetter,

"Does it look like the copy of a half century old paper document? Do you see any creases, fading, holes, dog-eared corners, wear and tear? How many have their original hospital BC to look at? Make a copy of it and compare the paper to Obama's."

That may be the stupidest thing any birther has ever said.

First off they 50 year original birth certificate is bound volume of birth certificates. So no it is not creased or folded.

Second, the original was placed on a copier and copied onto green security paper in April, 2011 so it would not look like a 50 year old document.

It's stupidity like your post which has made the birthers and other conservatives look like idiots. Thanks for helping to get President Obama re-elected.

Anonymous said...

For Obama to have been born in a foreign country:

(1) Obama’s relatives would have had to have been rich enough (and they weren’t. In 1961 Obama’s grandfather was a furniture salesman, and his grandmother was a low-level employee in a bank [she did not become a vice president until 1970], and his father went from Kenya to Hawaii on a free flight) and dumb enough to send their daughter at high risk of stillbirth to a foreign country to give birth—-—despite there being fine hospitals in Hawaii;

(2) Obama’s mother would have had to have traveled overseas ALONE (since WND has proven with a FOI Act request that Obama senior stayed in Hawaii throughout 1961) and somehow got Obama back to the USA without getting him entered on her US passport or getting a visa for him (which would have had to have been applied for in a US consulate in that country and the records would still exist);

(3) She or relatives would have had to have gotten the officials in Hawaii to record his birth in Hawaii despite (as birthers claim) his being born in another country (in other words to make them LIE), and also somehow got the teacher who wrote home to her father, named Stanley, about the birth in Hawaii of a child to a woman named Stanley to lie (and since the woman’s father’s name really was Stanley, she would have had to have found one of the very few women with fathers of that name to do it).

If you sincerely believe that Obama could have been born in a foreign country, then you could answer all three points. For Obama to have been born in a foreign country, all three would have had to have happened.

So, the question is, what are the chances that all three happened?

(Oh, and there isn’t even proof that Obama’s mother had a passport in 1961, and very very few 18-year-olds did, and EXTREMELY few women traveled abroad late in pregnancy in 1961 because of the risk of stillbirths. Yet birther sites hope that a few GULLIBLE people will just assume that she was one of the few to have a passport and one of the extremely few women to travel abroad late in pregnancy, and that the birth certificate is forged and the officials of BOTH parties who have confirmed it and the Index Data and the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers and the teacher who wrote home are all lying. )

Anonymous said...

Anything new, Mr. Sibley?
The 2017.01.20 is approaching fast.

Regards
Your European

Anonymous said...

@Anonymous who is under the impression that Madelyn started out as a lowly bank employee in HI. You are half-way correct, which is not correct at all. Before moving to HI Maddy supposedly worked as a loan underwriter and by the time she left WA to go to HI she was leaving a position as a Bank Officer. She may have taken a job as a lowly employee, but was she? Did she work her way up or merely wait for positions to open that she was already skilled in? Fine line?

And, surely you know Barry was a child of privilege? His grand parents may have kept a low economic-living profile, but he always was a child a privilege. Who knows where you got the idea that his grandparents did not have money. It sure was not cheap to move spur-of-the-moment a family from WA to HI. And where did their daughter go to school? Again, Barry was raised a child of privilege, as was his mother for most of her life. And don't bother saying I have to provide facts. It is all available to you; I did my homework and you can do your own.

Anonymous said...

Mr. Sibley,

another week has passed. Anything new from the courts ?

Best Regards
Your European

Anonymous said...

I think Mr. Sibley got caught in a deception on the Judge's letter and that is the reason for the silence. He and his best new bud Vogt don't often engage in facts.

Anonymous said...

But fortunately there are only 31 days left until Mr. Zullo will expose to the universe the evidence about the greatest crime ever committed.

The universe will be shattered to pieces. Life as we knew it will end. Stay tuned !

The European

Anonymous said...

3 more boring Sundays ´ til the Universe begins to shatter ....

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